{"id":222,"date":"2009-05-20T12:36:16","date_gmt":"2009-05-20T17:36:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.iwu.edu\/factrack\/?p=222"},"modified":"2025-05-30T08:44:11","modified_gmt":"2025-05-30T13:44:11","slug":"before-i-let-saigons-be-saigons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.iwu.edu\/factrack\/2009\/05\/20\/before-i-let-saigons-be-saigons\/","title":{"rendered":"Before I let Saigons be Saigons"},"content":{"rendered":"

Before I let Saigons be Saigons (again\u2014see my January post<\/a> for the first impressions), there are two items that were in the Singapore paper this morning that sum up well what I\u2019ve mentioned about Singapore:<\/p>\n

1) The strict controls by the government (which have led to close business-government cooperation): A minimart had its license to sell cigarettes revoked for six months because the store had been caught twice selling cigarettes to minors. It is a well-run, usually benevolent, one-party dominant state.<\/p>\n

2) I\u2019ve mentioned the twin pillars of trade and tourism as providing the means for a city-state of 3.2 million to become one of the most prosperous nations of the world. Tourism was down 13% March this year versus March last year; Singapore has a special promotion that anyone flying Singapore airlines (and after the 2-hour trip here on Singapore Air, I think everyone in our party wanted to fly Singapore Air across the Pacific, instead of United) who lands in Singapore can stay overnight in one of six very nice hotels for $1, with some fringe benefits thrown in. As I said, I\u2019m astonished that the government of the nation has allowed gambling, but that is one of the major attractions, especially for Chinese in the region.<\/p>\n

As for our 36-hour R&R in Saigon (we got in around 3 this afternoon and will be leaving our hotel after 36 hours here), the city means different things to our students than I\u2019m sure it does to my generation. Those of us who came of age in the ’60s have memories of Saigon whether we served in Vietnam or did not. Over 50,000 Americans died in what the Vietnamese, who have a history of being invaded and then defeating the invaders, call \u201cthe American War.\u201d<\/p>\n

When we got in, we were whisked to AA corporation, where Chad Ovel, whom I met in January, had agreed to talk to this class. He\u2019s a Carleton grad, major in economics and international relations, who as a student did a semester in Beijing, and got infected (as I have) with Asia. A week after graduation, he packed his bags for Asia, and hasn\u2019t been back to live in America since, about 15 years in total. Along the way, he\u2019s worked for the World Wildlife Federation (the panda guys), acquired an MBA from the University of Chicago (which has campuses in Singapore as well as Chicago and I believe London), and now is taking a $20 million niche furniture company (custom-made for rich people and corporations\u2014the next time you\u2019re at the Intercontinental in New York) to the $200 million level and turning it green as well. His office had a meeting going on, so he found a caf\u00e9 on the Saigon River in the expat neighborhood that I\u2019m sure we were one of the few non-locals (either expat or local Vietnamese) to grace. He talked and answered questions for about an hour, and a number of students commented that they really thought it was as good a visit as I\u2019d promised\u2014and I promised a great one, with discussions that paralleled Friedman\u2019s Hot, Flat, and Crowded book. He earned high marks from the students, and not just because he bought everyone two rounds of drinks!<\/p>\n

Today we spent on the history of Saigon, partly its French period (about 100 years, ending in 1954, when the French left Indochine), and partly the American War (as they call it) period, from 1954 in effect until 1975, when the famous North Vietnamese tanks smashed through the presidential palace gate and, on April 30, \u201cliberated\u201d South Vietnam, renaming the presidential palace the reunification palace instead.<\/p>\n

There\u2019s a lot from both periods here. For example, as I\u2019ve mentioned, the baguettes. In the morning, students who wanted to join me got up and went to a street stand, which was selling a breakfast sandwich that could only have been inspired by the French\u2014a baguette with fillings that made the hotel breakfast (which does serve lots of fruit and juices) seem tame.<\/p>\n

The Cu Chi tunnels, our first destination, spans both periods, though the Vietnamese developed the 150-mile tunnel system mostly after 1954, when it became the terminus of the Ho Chi Minh trail. At one time, over 100,000 Viet Cong lived, fought, and died in the tunnels, which were three stories high (or maybe I should say low, since they were below ground), in three different levels. The defenders took about 80% casualties, but caused havoc in Saigon and the local U.S. Air Force base nearby. One partial tunnel is opened, expanded wide for tourists, and one could crawl through it and see how people lived for up to 20 years. The area also has ghastly reminders (if one were needed) of the havoc bombing played in the American War, huge craters being one of the distinctive features of the area. It shows the lengths (and depths) to which the Vietnamese went to reunify a country that the U.S. and other powers had stated in 1954 would be reunited peacefully. The Vietnamese (and this wasn’t on display) came very close to seeking a peace treaty (rather than imposing one) until the 1968 Tet offensive (I have clear snapshots in my mind of the sack of the Citadel in Hue by Viet Cong troops, and the bitter fighting at the American Embassy in Saigon) created sufficient war weariness in the United States that we looked for ways to say, \u201cWe won,\u201d and get out saving some face.<\/p>\n

An even starker message came at the War Remnants Museum, which \"\"<\/a>promised to provide us with historical accuracy in the history of the American War, and its depiction of the suffering the war caused, and the desperate means we used to defoliate and defeat (Agent Orange being one item) that made me hearken back to the response I\u2019ve had when viewing the Holocaust museums in Europe. Over 3,000,000 Vietnamese died in the American War, mostly civilians. Nonetheless, the Vietnamese have put the war behind them, and I wish we would, too. That was over 35 years ago, aeons in historical time. Probably 70% of the Vietnamese, like my students, are too young to remember the war.<\/p>\n

At least the experience is less macabre than I remember it in 1995, when we walked through the jungle at Cu Chi and periodically a sign would pop up telling you that you\u2019d been killed by a sniper or walked on a landmine, or landed in one of the bamboo traps that mauled and maimed.<\/p>\n

The other places we visited reflect mostly the French colonial period, in the shape of the remnant buildings (there were some American buildings; we stayed at the Rex in 2001, the home of wartime journalists, and a decaying but genteel hotel; it\u2019s now the most expensive hotel in town). We took pictures in front of City Hall, the Notre Dame Cathedral, and the Post Office, all of which, plus the Opera House, might well be in Paris. In fact, Saigon was one of several cities in Asia that earned the nickname, \u201cParis of the East.\u201d I got to a museum I\u2019d never been to before, a city museum, and found our guide\u2019s warning\u2014the building is elegant, the contents are not\u2014right on target, but it enabled me to hide from a thunderstorm that temporarily cooled the city, but heightened the humidity. If possible.<\/p>\n

Tonight, we\u2019re taking a rickshaw ride around the area on our way to see the \"\"<\/a>Hanoi-based water puppet show, one of the highlights of visiting Hanoi, and hence, a treat here too. Carrie and I have reservations at what we\u2019ve been told is a really nice Vietnamese restaurant (the food is outstanding!), and two students are joining us. The rest decided to spend their R&R in Saigon as young Americans (and young Aussies, and young\u2026.) are wont to do. We have a 4 a.m. departure time from the hotel, so it could be an interesting plane ride to Hong Kong.<\/p>\n

Good night, or should I say, \u201cbon soir.”<\/p>\n

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In front of city hall, Saigon.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n
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In front of Notre Dame, Saigon.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n
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In front of the 100-year-old Post Office in Saigon.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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